“最后一次”为党奉献 李明哲谈中国官员入狱心声

自由亚洲电台
2022-11-20
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李明哲曾在北京燕城监狱目睹被称为“中国高铁之王”的张曙光,在狱中为吃饱而偷偷夹带米饭。(RFA)

台湾的人权工作者李明哲接受自由亚洲电台专访,披露在中国遭服刑五年期间曾两度与中国官员一起关押的经历。其中,2018年在北京燕城监狱时,目睹被称为”中国高铁之王”的张曙光在狱中只为吃饱而偷夹带几口饭的遭遇。李明哲转述多位入狱的官员共同心声说,”他们是最后一次为共产党奉献”。

李明哲2017年被中国以“颠覆国家政权罪”判刑五年,关押在湖南赤山监狱,今年四月出狱后,李明哲多次现身分享在中国监狱关押的待遇。不过,这是他首次对外揭露他与中国官员同监的近身观察。

李明哲回忆起2018年无预警地被移监至北京燕城监狱,就他理解,当时中国中央规定凡是各省公检法厅级干部坐牢者,怕他们在地方监狱作威作福,于是统一送到中央集中关押,而他也跟着这一波一起移监。

“它是中国司法部直属监狱,另一是秦城监狱。燕城监狱是关中国国务院司局级别的官员,我去那边,北京可能也觉得要负责我一切的事情很麻烦,所以十几天后,我跟我的同案(被告)彭宇华又一起被送回赤山监狱。”李明哲说道。

据澎湃新闻引述新华网报道,燕城监狱收押的罪犯主要是具有研究价值的普通罪犯、职务犯罪的罪犯和外籍犯人。燕城监狱所有罪犯都是从各地监狱调送而来。

据燕城监狱介绍,司法部要求燕城监狱除履行监狱关押改造罪犯职能外,还承担“依法行刑的示范、国际司法交流的重要窗口、监狱工作改革创新的实验田、司法部培养年轻干部的基地”等四项功能。

中国“高铁之王”张曙光沦阶下囚遭遇

李明哲告诉自由亚洲电台,他在燕城监狱期间曾接触到中国铁道部、环境保护部、还有担任过纪委的官员。其中令他印象最深刻的是前中国铁道部副总工程师张曙光。

他感慨地说,人不管在外面多有权势,到了监狱之后,也就是为了“吃饱饭而已”。他曾亲眼目睹张曙光去饭堂吃饭,因为狱方规定不能携带食物进出饭堂,张曙光想了其他的办法偷偷夹带。

“他拿泡面的袋子去装饭,把饭装到泡面袋子,藏进衣服袖子带回监狱。这个人过去在外面多风光,但是进到监狱后,就算他进到比较好的监狱,但是他所有想的欲望,跟一般人没有什么两样。”

据百度百科介绍,张曙光是把中国铁路带进高速时代,高速动车的设计者创造者。在刘志军担任铁道部长8年期间,和张曙光主导修建1.8万公里铁路,其中,投入运营的高铁里程为8358公里。2013年张曙光因涉嫌受贿4755万元遭起诉,张曙光被判死缓,减为无期徒刑。

中国遭关押官员心声:因政治站队成“祭旗”

李明哲说,除了在燕城监狱外,刚被捕时他先是被送到湖南看守所,这是湖南唯一省管的看守所,这是他第一次有机会与中国入狱官员同监。李明哲说,他在这两处关押时碰到的官员谈起自己的案子,不约而同地都告诉他,“他们是最后一次为共产党做奉献。”

李明哲:“他们认为做的事情,是每一个官员都做的事。在中国官场,如果不做所谓的‘贪污’,无法在官场活下来。因为每个人都做,如果你不做,会被认为可能有异心,在官场会被排挤。”

李明哲转述这些官员的心声认为,如果每个人都做一样的事,被抓只有一个可能,那就是政治站队与当权派不同。“为了共产党的长期执政、为了跟人民交代反贪腐,所以把我们抓了‘祭旗’。”

燕城监狱与赤山监狱差异

在访问中,李明哲也揭开燕城监狱的面纱。燕城监狱因为是司法部管辖,所以非常规范,关押官员的软、硬件设施较好,最多3人一间房,而且管理较文明,不用做一般的劳动。相比之下,赤山监狱约莫10平方米大小的空间挤16个人,还经常要超时劳动。

李明哲:“他们的劳动就是帮中国中央一些高官翻译外国的新闻,他们告诉我,他们每天要翻译外国的新闻给中南海官员看,大部分在做这些工作,还有帮忙接一下外面书籍校对工作。”

有趣的是,当李明哲被移监回到赤山监狱后,不少狱友向他打探好奇中共前政治局常委周永康、前重庆市委书记薄熙来在秦城监狱可能过着什么样生活?

“在燕城监狱生活,相对中国一般监狱生活已经好非常多,但是,每个被关押的人心里所想的事就是吃饭,在监狱里让自己吃得更好。”李明哲推论,“在秦城监狱的待遇或许更好,设备再好它还是个监狱,犯人想的事情都一样。”

在中国狱中五年,李明哲说,那种环境真会消磨掉人的意志力。他自己是靠着妻子李净瑜的探视,把监狱问题反映出去,这也帮他转变意念,不再只是囚犯。他还幽默地说,“就当自己难得有机会在中国监狱做田野调查。”

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